there's got to be a way that one builds the kind of core constituency to hold washington, d.c., account annual. >> >> this is diffuse. 60% of people brings it up, are you worried about climate? sure. then there's concentrated but passionate resistance on the other side. when you have that equation, we see it in a whole bunch of issues, farm subsidies are the example. you can get all the reports you want and you can talk about how all the farm subsidy doesn't make sense, but there's a small group of people that it makes sense to. >> it's more concentrated. ohio, it's a swing state, you're looking for the actual votes. contextually, you pull it out, we're still struggling. when people rank it, it may be an issue of concern, but ranking wise it's jobs and the economy. finally, we were talking about lobbying interests. >> right. >> they have the power to go in there. it was interesting to see the rah, rah on both sides. >> i want to talk about coal specifically. coal has become a center piece of the campaign. i want to talk to someone who spent his life working in coal, a representative fro